1 00:00:46,860 --> 00:00:13,900 [Music] 2 00:00:52,090 --> 00:00:49,810 and good evening from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:00:54,939 --> 00:00:52,100 here with another episode of UFO news 4 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:54,949 network Sunday tonight on Tuesday night 5 00:01:00,729 --> 00:00:58,250 and let me bring in my co-host Jenn 6 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:00,739 Hanna to introduce our special guests 7 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:03,530 for this evening I jet hi Frank thank 8 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:05,210 you so much for that lovely introduction 9 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:09,470 we have a very special guest tonight he 10 00:01:16,540 --> 00:01:12,650 has been on many specials all around the 11 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:16,550 world on mainstream media and he's also 12 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:18,380 been involved in the topic of ufology 13 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:21,920 for many decades and his name is edwin 14 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:24,710 gotcha and he is a native of bacolod 15 00:01:29,350 --> 00:01:27,200 city philippines and he has a Bachelor 16 00:01:30,969 --> 00:01:29,360 of Arts degree in mathematics a master's 17 00:01:32,620 --> 00:01:30,979 degree in tourism he is currently a 18 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:32,630 senior member of the Royal Institute of 19 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:35,090 Singapore tourism he is a former member 20 00:01:41,020 --> 00:01:38,590 of the American meteor national media 21 00:01:42,999 --> 00:01:41,030 organization Philippine Astronomical 22 00:01:44,830 --> 00:01:43,009 Society life member Philippine 23 00:01:48,010 --> 00:01:44,840 Association for the Advancement of 24 00:01:49,660 --> 00:01:48,020 science one of six amateur astronomers 25 00:01:51,940 --> 00:01:49,670 from the Philippines recommended for the 26 00:01:53,819 --> 00:01:51,950 parks interpretation program of the 27 00:01:56,380 --> 00:01:53,829 National Air and Space Museum of the 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:56,390 Smithsonian Institution became a 29 00:02:01,870 --> 00:01:58,610 volunteer field investigator for Q fose 30 00:02:04,780 --> 00:02:01,880 in the early 80s wrote and published the 31 00:02:07,330 --> 00:02:04,790 book unknown and unearthly the 32 00:02:10,690 --> 00:02:07,340 Philippine UFO X are done by Lulu 33 00:02:12,430 --> 00:02:10,700 publishing in 2009 with Filipino amateur 34 00:02:14,710 --> 00:02:12,440 astronomer Christopher NGO who 35 00:02:18,610 --> 00:02:14,720 discovered Red Spot jr. on the surface 36 00:02:20,530 --> 00:02:18,620 of debris in 2011 he initiated the 37 00:02:22,870 --> 00:02:20,540 holding of the first Philippine UFO 38 00:02:24,819 --> 00:02:22,880 conference Manila in 2010 and he has 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:24,829 traveled and visited 24 countries to 40 00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:26,570 date some countries he's been to 41 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:28,790 multiple times welcome Edwin to our show 42 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:36,110 how are you great it's so lovely having 43 00:02:41,890 --> 00:02:38,630 you here on the show I wanted to ask you 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:41,900 a question how long have you been 45 00:02:53,110 --> 00:02:51,220 well-walled with that since I became and 46 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:53,120 mr. cater for the Center for UFO studies 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:02:56,209 back in 1980 and 48 00:03:02,619 --> 00:02:59,090 I was there about when I was doing 49 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:02,629 research and actual field investigations 50 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:07,780 of citing cases from been on until about 51 00:03:14,709 --> 00:03:12,049 1987 wonderful thank you very much for 52 00:03:16,929 --> 00:03:14,719 sharing that wanted to go back to before 53 00:03:20,229 --> 00:03:16,939 that period of time when you were 54 00:03:22,089 --> 00:03:20,239 growing up in the bear clod city of 55 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:22,099 Philippines and you'll have to pronounce 56 00:03:25,750 --> 00:03:23,810 that city for us because they think I'm 57 00:03:27,429 --> 00:03:25,760 mispronouncing it please correct me on 58 00:03:30,190 --> 00:03:27,439 that I wanted to know when you were 59 00:03:34,119 --> 00:03:30,200 growing up did you have any unusual 60 00:03:38,649 --> 00:03:34,129 sightings of UFO activity you know in 61 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:38,659 the skies or over the seas a personal 62 00:03:54,099 --> 00:03:51,280 somebody's about in the early 90s we 63 00:04:00,009 --> 00:03:54,109 were constructing the dome of my 64 00:04:02,409 --> 00:04:00,019 personal observatory roof my house it 65 00:04:06,059 --> 00:04:02,419 was about 2:00 in the afternoon and 66 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:06,069 there was this very bright light which 67 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:08,870 was something unusual because he was as 68 00:04:16,210 --> 00:04:12,169 bright the planet Venus at its brightest 69 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:16,220 but it was the wrong place it was on the 70 00:04:23,409 --> 00:04:18,409 other side of the Sun was in the eastern 71 00:04:25,450 --> 00:04:23,419 sky and this thing was quite like it 72 00:04:27,159 --> 00:04:25,460 reminded me of a case which I also 73 00:04:30,420 --> 00:04:27,169 investigated where they saw a very 74 00:04:33,939 --> 00:04:30,430 bright light and he appeared to be a 75 00:04:39,999 --> 00:04:33,949 recall object but the one that I saw I 76 00:04:42,580 --> 00:04:40,009 was just he was unexpected and I ran 77 00:04:45,999 --> 00:04:42,590 down to get a pair of binoculars to take 78 00:04:48,450 --> 00:04:46,009 a closer look and when I got back it was 79 00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:51,100 at first I thought he must have probably 80 00:04:54,909 --> 00:04:53,300 have been an aircraft that's respected 81 00:04:57,310 --> 00:04:54,919 sunlight because the Sun was on the 82 00:05:00,839 --> 00:04:57,320 other side but it didn't really look 83 00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:00,849 like it maybe I'm used to watching 84 00:05:06,459 --> 00:05:04,550 aircrafts flying over my area and 85 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:06,469 they're always quite different 86 00:05:13,619 --> 00:05:09,889 it ain't look exactly like 87 00:05:16,089 --> 00:05:13,629 as bright as Venus at its brightest 88 00:05:18,429 --> 00:05:16,099 thank you for letting us know about that 89 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:18,439 there's so much I want to ask you about 90 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:20,210 but I'd like to go ahead and start off 91 00:05:27,189 --> 00:05:23,780 first with why you decided to become an 92 00:05:29,230 --> 00:05:27,199 investigator for Koufos and tell us a 93 00:05:40,089 --> 00:05:29,240 little bit about why you would do 94 00:05:44,529 --> 00:05:40,099 something like that well in 1979 when 95 00:05:47,369 --> 00:05:44,539 there was a wave of UFO sightings all 96 00:05:50,249 --> 00:05:47,379 over the Philippines and it was probably 97 00:05:53,050 --> 00:05:50,259 the first time that there was this 98 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:53,060 numerous reports coming from the 99 00:05:59,939 --> 00:05:56,330 different parts of the country but it 100 00:06:03,869 --> 00:05:59,949 was not until about a year later that a 101 00:06:06,610 --> 00:06:03,879 journalist by the name of Robert brought 102 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:06,620 three over to the Philippines to do 103 00:06:14,499 --> 00:06:10,490 investigations of those sightings in 79 104 00:06:17,529 --> 00:06:14,509 and a journalist friend of mine a local 105 00:06:20,649 --> 00:06:17,539 one for the national papers it was a 106 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:20,659 columnist international paper asked me 107 00:06:27,939 --> 00:06:24,250 if I wanted to meet the guy who he said 108 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:27,949 is doing investigations and UFOs and I 109 00:06:35,290 --> 00:06:30,800 said yeah and so I was introduced to mr. 110 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:35,300 pry and it all started when he left me 111 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:39,560 with with Emanuel it was actually a new 112 00:06:50,070 --> 00:06:43,810 phone manual for field investigators and 113 00:06:54,459 --> 00:06:50,080 so what I did was to make a follow-up on 114 00:06:57,490 --> 00:06:54,469 the many witnesses to the 1979 events 115 00:07:01,149 --> 00:06:57,500 and this led me from one witness to 116 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:01,159 another and with the use of the map I 117 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:03,889 was able to gather and gain experience 118 00:07:11,709 --> 00:07:06,889 on how to investigate those cases and 119 00:07:15,899 --> 00:07:11,719 those have reports where Julie sent over 120 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:19,320 well mr. Schue any of the reports - well 121 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:23,810 I joined cube was because when mister 122 00:07:30,930 --> 00:07:27,290 what return to the US apparently he had 123 00:07:35,950 --> 00:07:30,940 a talk with the late dr. Alan J Hynek 124 00:07:42,250 --> 00:07:35,960 who founded Cuba's and dr. Hynek himself 125 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:42,260 sent me a short letter inviting me to 126 00:07:52,659 --> 00:07:47,860 join the organization as a investigator 127 00:07:57,659 --> 00:07:52,669 which greatly encouraged me to do so and 128 00:08:01,210 --> 00:07:57,669 I took the MUFON investigators 129 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:01,220 examination which I asked and that was 130 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:04,490 when I became officially an investigator 131 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:06,050 for the on behalf of the organization 132 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:08,780 and that's when I started looking for 133 00:08:15,340 --> 00:08:12,530 the witnesses both in the 1979 events 134 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:15,350 and eventually that's how I started my 135 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:18,340 adventure in in field investigations 136 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:21,290 great thank you very much for filling us 137 00:08:26,050 --> 00:08:23,360 in on that that's a fascinating history 138 00:08:30,159 --> 00:08:26,060 you just shared you and I talked earlier 139 00:08:33,010 --> 00:08:30,169 today about how one would interview 140 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:33,020 witnesses regarding possible UFO 141 00:08:40,990 --> 00:08:36,830 sightings and you were sharing with me 142 00:08:43,570 --> 00:08:41,000 how you had to do things old-school 143 00:08:54,970 --> 00:08:43,580 style can you please explain what that 144 00:08:58,210 --> 00:08:54,980 means well and well we had telephone 145 00:09:01,180 --> 00:08:58,220 then at the time that the witnesses were 146 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:01,190 from the countryside where they didn't 147 00:09:08,230 --> 00:09:05,870 have phone lines in in some instances it 148 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:08,240 was easier because some of those 149 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:11,600 witnesses were confined in a in a small 150 00:09:18,490 --> 00:09:15,260 town or a small village or or they 151 00:09:21,699 --> 00:09:18,500 worked in in one company and so I could 152 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:21,709 easily trace them but other than that it 153 00:09:28,390 --> 00:09:24,320 was a little bit difficult looking for 154 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:28,400 them but I did manage anyway and when I 155 00:09:33,579 --> 00:09:31,250 got hold of one well I started 156 00:09:37,570 --> 00:09:33,589 interviewing they they started feeling 157 00:09:40,210 --> 00:09:37,580 out the forms and and all 158 00:09:45,070 --> 00:09:40,220 those reports I sent to the senator be a 159 00:09:47,290 --> 00:09:45,080 ghost honest then great and wanted to 160 00:09:52,150 --> 00:09:47,300 talk to you a little bit about how you 161 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:52,160 would do an interview with folks about a 162 00:09:58,570 --> 00:09:55,130 possible UFO sighting when you see them 163 00:10:01,510 --> 00:09:58,580 in person and they're telling you about 164 00:10:03,550 --> 00:10:01,520 their sighting can you tell us a little 165 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:03,560 bit about what you might look at in your 166 00:10:08,950 --> 00:10:06,170 observations of that person things like 167 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:08,960 body language tone of voice what do you 168 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:11,870 look for when you are listening to them 169 00:10:25,810 --> 00:10:22,490 talk about their sighting do an 170 00:10:29,290 --> 00:10:25,820 interview with regarding her sighting I 171 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:29,300 was informed that a certain lady a 172 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:33,040 businesswoman had had a sighting 173 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:38,450 experience and so I called her up and I 174 00:10:44,110 --> 00:10:41,120 said that I could come over and and talk 175 00:10:47,140 --> 00:10:44,120 to her about it well she was kind of 176 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:47,150 like you know what's that all about or 177 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:48,650 you know something like that and I said 178 00:10:55,390 --> 00:10:51,620 I'm doing a research for the Center for 179 00:10:58,330 --> 00:10:55,400 UFO studies and I understand that I was 180 00:11:02,380 --> 00:10:58,340 told that you were one of those who who 181 00:11:05,380 --> 00:11:02,390 had a possible sighting and so I I had 182 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:05,390 the appointment made and and we met 183 00:11:12,550 --> 00:11:09,190 because she was at first a little bit 184 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:12,560 apprehensive as to what was that all 185 00:11:19,810 --> 00:11:15,920 about and I said it's just I want to get 186 00:11:24,220 --> 00:11:19,820 some idea of what you've seen what 187 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:24,230 experience and all that and sometimes 188 00:11:32,890 --> 00:11:27,590 depends on or depending on how you like 189 00:11:35,860 --> 00:11:32,900 introduce yourself and since I was 190 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:35,870 always speaking in English it makes a 191 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:40,370 bit of a difference and I had my first 192 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:46,130 interview with a business woman and her 193 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:49,670 first one the first statements that she 194 00:11:54,170 --> 00:11:50,670 gave was the 195 00:11:57,110 --> 00:11:54,180 it was the most unusual thing he had 196 00:12:01,220 --> 00:11:57,120 ever seen in her life and and I've heard 197 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:01,230 that kind of statements from most of the 198 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:04,010 other witnesses that I have talked to 199 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:08,180 and and the way that they they thought 200 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:11,130 the way the body moves the guests yours 201 00:12:19,310 --> 00:12:14,790 and everything the eyes and and the 202 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:19,320 tonal voice they all tell you that they 203 00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:27,390 have seen something very unusual now I 204 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:28,980 really quicker where the witnesses 205 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:31,200 seeing the same type of thing or were 206 00:12:35,450 --> 00:12:33,030 they seeing a different types of UFOs 207 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:35,460 what what was some of the details of 208 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:41,250 what they saw well she was saying that 209 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:44,490 it was something like like a bright 210 00:12:50,060 --> 00:12:47,820 thing that was floating in the sky but 211 00:12:52,490 --> 00:12:50,070 what got me was when she said that she 212 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:52,500 had a feeling when she looked out the 213 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:54,210 window to see if the thing was still 214 00:13:01,730 --> 00:12:58,170 there she had that feeling of being 215 00:13:05,450 --> 00:13:01,740 watched or that the thing was actually 216 00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:05,460 like looking at her - and and at the 217 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:07,680 time she said she was a little scared 218 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:11,930 because she was on the way and you know 219 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:14,880 since it was her first experience of 220 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:18,120 that something that's pretty unusual she 221 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:21,690 kind of got a little scared about it she 222 00:13:29,390 --> 00:13:24,330 tried to go back - it all started when 223 00:13:32,930 --> 00:13:29,400 her husband wanted to go out and do that 224 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:32,940 he's early morning jog jogging around 225 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:37,860 the community and when she pointed the 226 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:40,830 thing to her husband husband said I know 227 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:44,130 that's just probably a comment of course 228 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:46,170 which was not there was no comment at 229 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:49,130 the time that appeared in the sky and 230 00:13:54,950 --> 00:13:52,920 that was when she felt a little strange 231 00:13:59,600 --> 00:13:54,960 about the thing so she she hurriedly 232 00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,610 went up there apartment and looked out 233 00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:01,680 of the window see the thing was in 234 00:14:04,910 --> 00:14:03,600 floating and she said she had that 235 00:14:07,730 --> 00:14:04,920 earring 236 00:14:12,620 --> 00:14:07,740 she was also being looked at maybe the 237 00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:12,630 thing and that kind of got me and the 238 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:16,560 way she would like when she speaks she 239 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:21,210 was very emotional about it and I was at 240 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:23,370 a fairly typical account from this 241 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:27,810 particular 79 wave or did you get to you 242 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:29,250 know something of a variety of reactions 243 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:31,770 or how did 244 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:34,290 aggregor I'm sorry yes that was that was 245 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:37,830 very typical of one of the witnesses 246 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:40,770 that I talked to there was some 247 00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:45,030 variation the object that was a scene 248 00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:48,120 that was observed one described it as 249 00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:51,600 like a Christmas tree that landed in the 250 00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:54,270 middle of the road while he was driving 251 00:15:02,570 --> 00:14:57,510 a big truck down from the mountains back 252 00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:02,580 to the the mill the sugar mill and of 253 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:04,980 course the witness was kind of like 254 00:15:10,820 --> 00:15:08,820 shocked to see he described it as a 255 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:10,830 Christmas tree that landed right in the 256 00:15:17,390 --> 00:15:15,540 middle of the road okay yeah I mean that 257 00:15:18,830 --> 00:15:17,400 would certainly get my attention you 258 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:18,840 know especially if I wasn't working all 259 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:22,800 that you know um ed when I was gonna ask 260 00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:25,050 you why do you think there was a wave of 261 00:15:30,380 --> 00:15:27,300 UFO sightings during that period of time 262 00:15:31,820 --> 00:15:30,390 do you have a hypothesis or any kind of 263 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:31,830 theories you want to share with us 264 00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:34,770 regarding that period of time as far as 265 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:36,420 why there could have been a wave of 266 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:38,610 sightings of UFO activity 267 00:15:49,450 --> 00:15:45,300 I have no theory about that waves do 268 00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:49,460 happen historically we have seen that 269 00:15:58,010 --> 00:15:54,990 wave society have happened in some other 270 00:16:04,930 --> 00:15:58,020 countries in the West we've had him here 271 00:16:13,610 --> 00:16:08,660 probably the same I mean yes OB nominal 272 00:16:15,950 --> 00:16:13,620 is a global phenomenon and and such a 273 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:15,960 wave happening over the Philippines is 274 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:18,720 probably not unusual except that 275 00:16:25,940 --> 00:16:21,450 it was it just happened at that 276 00:16:27,770 --> 00:16:25,950 particular date and time and were these 277 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:27,780 I'm concentrated onto it like a 278 00:16:32,540 --> 00:16:30,330 particular day or was it that basically 279 00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:32,550 like a couple of weeks or a month or a 280 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:35,100 couple months what was the the timeframe 281 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:37,440 for things picking up with that 282 00:16:43,730 --> 00:16:41,610 it went on because the reports were 283 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:43,740 coming in from different parts of the 284 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:47,970 country right the first report actually 285 00:16:54,190 --> 00:16:51,180 came out from where I was living at the 286 00:16:56,780 --> 00:16:54,200 time in the island of Negros and 287 00:17:01,610 --> 00:16:56,790 apparently that started it and after 288 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:01,620 that I could see the newspapers reports 289 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:05,760 of sightings coming from north south and 290 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:08,699 all parts of the country the time frame 291 00:17:17,030 --> 00:17:15,630 is only 1979 right okay and what was 292 00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:17,040 that what kind of frequency were we 293 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:19,079 talking about it's like maybe a hundred 294 00:17:24,590 --> 00:17:21,300 a month is compared to a usual of maybe 295 00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:24,600 like five or ten or you know what what 296 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:25,740 what kind of numbers are we talking 297 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:34,820 and we get one sighting from this 298 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:36,870 particular part of the country and then 299 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:39,900 a week after there would be another one 300 00:17:49,460 --> 00:17:46,160 from another part of the country and the 301 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:49,470 frequency and in the number the volume 302 00:17:59,240 --> 00:17:55,970 of sightings just came in one by one I 303 00:17:59,600 --> 00:17:59,250 mean something like this one scene right 304 00:18:02,600 --> 00:17:59,610 now 305 00:18:05,030 --> 00:18:02,610 if you accept another one scene from 306 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:05,040 another part of the country okay another 307 00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:06,810 one for another part of the country you 308 00:18:12,380 --> 00:18:08,820 know that and I collated all of those 309 00:18:15,170 --> 00:18:12,390 reports later on and that's how I 310 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:15,180 actually tried to trace back the 311 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:18,810 witnesses God and that we do you like 312 00:18:22,580 --> 00:18:20,790 reading that the newspapers is that how 313 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:22,590 are you were finding these people were 314 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:24,030 they finding you through word-of-mouth 315 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:27,950 how did how did you track him down I 316 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:30,450 would 317 00:18:36,410 --> 00:18:33,090 the papers that find where the sighting 318 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:36,420 had taken place and try to get in touch 319 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:40,380 with the local authorities and if they 320 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:42,690 confirm that there are witnesses then I 321 00:18:47,180 --> 00:18:45,930 would go there okay when you say when 322 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:47,190 you say local authorities what do you 323 00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,810 mean like the police yes I want to get 324 00:19:04,070 --> 00:18:59,760 to them anyway and they get to know 325 00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:04,080 about that yeah okay thank you very much 326 00:19:07,910 --> 00:19:06,120 for having filled us in on that and then 327 00:19:10,550 --> 00:19:07,920 I have a question it's kind of similar 328 00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:10,560 to a question I asked you earlier but I 329 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:12,720 wanted to know what is one of the most 330 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:16,590 interesting UFO case or cases you have 331 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:18,930 worked on researched witness or heard of 332 00:19:27,790 --> 00:19:23,250 more specifically I would say one of the 333 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:27,800 best cases I had was a landing incident 334 00:19:33,850 --> 00:19:30,950 a couple of landing incidents actually 335 00:19:37,450 --> 00:19:33,860 one which involved intent entities 336 00:19:42,620 --> 00:19:37,460 another one which involve schoolchildren 337 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:42,630 and the one which involved school 338 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:45,480 children was a multiple witness event 339 00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:50,630 and it happened in broad daylight and 340 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:54,030 what was interesting about that case was 341 00:20:02,270 --> 00:19:57,810 when the object landed it left imprints 342 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,280 a close encounter of the second kind you 343 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,840 might say right right 344 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:06,480 and now those types of cases are pretty 345 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:08,340 interesting there's a famous one in 346 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:11,850 South Africa the the aerial school and 347 00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:14,460 then there's a Westfall school case in 348 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:16,950 Australia and those are pretty 349 00:20:22,490 --> 00:20:19,020 interesting cases in that a few of them 350 00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:22,500 do pop up around the world tell us a 351 00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:23,940 little bit more about that case I mean 352 00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:25,470 did you talk to the kids what was their 353 00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:29,900 reaction if you did that that event 354 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:36,980 transpired in 1984 but it was not until 355 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:42,570 1987 yes I think there was 87 that I was 356 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:44,169 actually a 357 00:20:50,669 --> 00:20:47,289 to visit the place because it's not a 358 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,679 little far premier and I have to fly 359 00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:53,440 over there and all that but incidentally 360 00:20:59,899 --> 00:20:55,929 I was a bit lucky because at the time I 361 00:21:05,279 --> 00:20:59,909 was invited by a university to do a 362 00:21:07,950 --> 00:21:05,289 series of lectures on astronomy for the 363 00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:07,960 local science teachers and this 364 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:11,679 university was in the city where only an 365 00:21:20,010 --> 00:21:14,590 hour away was the site of that planning 366 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,020 incident so after the the training one 367 00:21:26,460 --> 00:21:22,720 of the physics professors took me over 368 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:26,470 there accompanied me to the site where I 369 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,049 I had to meet there was a children by 370 00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:31,679 the time were already in high school 371 00:21:39,330 --> 00:21:35,429 because during the event when they 372 00:21:41,419 --> 00:21:39,340 witness that landing incident they were 373 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:41,429 still at the grade school there were 374 00:21:50,010 --> 00:21:44,890 three of them and I got I was able to 375 00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:50,020 get hold of two of those three kids and 376 00:21:57,870 --> 00:21:53,409 and I got a first-hand account from 377 00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:57,880 straight from them as what they 378 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,360 experienced and you said the thing is I 379 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:03,520 saw individuals are could you describe 380 00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:08,890 them as indication of the land of the 381 00:22:15,299 --> 00:22:11,880 landing case the three children were 382 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:15,309 told to get water from a nearby creek 383 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:18,730 near the school were to water the plants 384 00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:22,600 and as they did so they saw this thing 385 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:29,350 landing in the open rice field and that 386 00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:31,809 too far away and and of course that kind 387 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:38,799 of amazed them for that matter and they 388 00:22:45,419 --> 00:22:42,450 described the thing as after it landed 389 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:45,429 opened a kind of a door or a porthole 390 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:49,330 where there was a bright bright light 391 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:52,090 they're coming out but there were no 392 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:54,010 entities because I was asking if they 393 00:23:03,900 --> 00:22:56,980 show any any anything moving 394 00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:03,910 or they seen people or you know and they 395 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:06,429 said no it was just an open thing it 396 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:08,470 opened up and and and ye they can see 397 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:12,700 some bright light inside and and as they 398 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,620 were watching your thing up there about 399 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:17,440 twenty minutes took off now the whole 400 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:20,169 school heard the sound of their the 401 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:22,750 thing had taken off but they have not 402 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:26,200 seen the thing themselves except for 403 00:23:34,650 --> 00:23:30,940 those three children do you know was 404 00:23:37,169 --> 00:23:34,660 that area determined to have radiation 405 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:37,179 at all was there any radiation detective 406 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:42,910 detection equipment used at all but what 407 00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:48,730 they did was they called for a local 408 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:51,640 photographer to take pictures of the 409 00:24:00,810 --> 00:23:55,390 imprints that the thing left on under 410 00:24:04,169 --> 00:24:00,820 the of the soil on the where it landed 411 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:04,179 it left imprints and the local 412 00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:06,340 photographer was able to take photos of 413 00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:16,000 those imprints and the so did did you go 414 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:18,100 over his film very carefully with him 415 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:23,440 how did that work out the prints from 416 00:24:30,299 --> 00:24:26,590 the end from the film he had he had the 417 00:24:34,380 --> 00:24:30,309 negative the original negatives because 418 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:34,390 he made several photos of those from 419 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:37,720 those from the film and the photos were 420 00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:40,630 distributed around were they good photos 421 00:24:48,450 --> 00:24:45,640 Edwyn that he took were they good photos 422 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:48,460 did he take good clear photos yes you 423 00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:52,000 did okay and were those shown in 424 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:54,460 mainstream media was discovered at all 425 00:25:02,220 --> 00:24:58,210 in mainstream media this story this 426 00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:02,230 story came out in the local papers it 427 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:04,660 also came out in the national paper yes 428 00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:09,760 it was covered apparently somebody got 429 00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:10,540 hold of the store 430 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:15,550 and and and and well I wrote it out over 431 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:22,810 on a national newspaper and I got hold 432 00:25:29,540 --> 00:25:24,610 up like I was able to get hold of a copy 433 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:32,820 gave me information as to where to go 434 00:25:40,770 --> 00:25:36,970 and and who to talk to in our lab so 435 00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:40,780 most of the information that I got prior 436 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:44,230 to talking to the witnesses well from 437 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:47,410 the papers themselves okay and then I 438 00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:49,570 was gonna ask you about the other case 439 00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:51,700 that you mentioned that you felt was 440 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:53,320 interesting to you you said there were 441 00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,510 two cases or a few cases what was the 442 00:26:05,790 --> 00:26:00,660 and that was very very interesting 443 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:05,800 because the witness himself was he was 444 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:08,140 interviewed by mr. Pratt of National 445 00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:09,010 Enquirer 446 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:14,140 he was also investigated by the local 447 00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,810 military now I have to remember that 19 448 00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:22,720 1979 the Philippines were still under 449 00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:24,670 martial law in the mill it was military 450 00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:29,440 takeover and nobody would want to fool 451 00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:31,900 around with military people and in some 452 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:34,720 telling stories about things landing and 453 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:38,050 seeing people walking would be a it 454 00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:40,180 would be something that you have to be 455 00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:43,420 very careful be very careful with and so 456 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:46,540 I see narrated to me it was early 457 00:26:53,730 --> 00:26:50,650 morning that he was he got up and 458 00:26:56,790 --> 00:26:53,740 started the day because his occupation 459 00:27:00,270 --> 00:26:56,800 was to sell like ice cream you know he 460 00:27:03,150 --> 00:27:00,280 was an ice cream man and he sells his 461 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:03,160 ice cream in a local school so that he 462 00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:05,770 would wake up very early in the morning 463 00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,270 to start the tale and at the time about 464 00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:12,640 4:30 in the morning he saw there were 465 00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:16,600 lights that was going through his house 466 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:19,630 because the house is not solid concrete 467 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:23,110 or you know the walls have holes 468 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:26,230 them and you can actually see bright 469 00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:28,990 lights outside and he saw this bright 470 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:31,980 light moving and went out investigate 471 00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:34,990 and whereupon he was amazed to see ting 472 00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:42,660 here he saw three three disks that were 473 00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:45,880 hovering coming down slowly for a 474 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:46,600 landing 475 00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:49,990 he described the shape of the object as 476 00:27:58,530 --> 00:27:55,240 something like an inverted oh well 477 00:27:59,070 --> 00:27:58,540 it's like a cooking where you cook 478 00:28:02,789 --> 00:27:59,080 something 479 00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:02,799 frypan like is that what you mean the 480 00:28:12,030 --> 00:28:08,200 frying pan and a frying pan a large 481 00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:12,040 frying pan bulging on one side and it 482 00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:15,240 came down and landed near the riverbank 483 00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:20,950 and through his well he got frightened 484 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,630 about it it was the first time that he 485 00:28:29,610 --> 00:28:25,120 saw something like that and so what he 486 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:29,620 did was to hide alongside the road there 487 00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:33,240 was this drainage and he got himself 488 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:37,120 curled up in there all the time watching 489 00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,250 what the thing was doing and it landed 490 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:41,679 and after landing 491 00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:47,049 each of the three objects opened up and 492 00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,799 there came out an entity which he had 493 00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:52,960 first thought he said they were probably 494 00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,150 Russians because they were big and 495 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:01,360 that's how he described them and he even 496 00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,230 described about them having something 497 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:08,799 like like we're like wearing a helmet as 498 00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:11,410 well as astronauts move and I said how 499 00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:14,470 did you did turn because he said well 500 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:17,620 they move their heads the right from 501 00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:22,510 nearby illuminating source would you 502 00:29:34,169 --> 00:29:29,940 know reflect on the helmet and it would 503 00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:34,179 suggest that it kind of a glass or 504 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:36,540 something 505 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:47,610 cycle riders would use to injury during 506 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:50,370 an accident though he described them to 507 00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:53,730 be have some kind of helmets wearing 508 00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:56,430 helmets and all that and he said the one 509 00:30:01,540 --> 00:29:58,200 thing that caught his attention was that 510 00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:01,550 they had what he described as tommy gun 511 00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:05,270 whenever tommy gun is actually a a 512 00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:07,950 samsung submachine gun use during world 513 00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:12,830 war ii and he said each of them had that 514 00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:17,990 with a string around the shoulder so 515 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:24,540 that's how was how he described them he 516 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:26,490 was never able to interact with those 517 00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:30,110 things because i I'm sure I'd be pretty 518 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:32,780 terrified myself I was in his place 519 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:35,490 Edwyn that sounds like a bad science 520 00:30:44,660 --> 00:30:40,890 fiction movie from the 1960s this folks 521 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:44,670 out in the mountains seldom watch movies 522 00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,270 like those right they don't even read 523 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:50,880 your magazines for that matter because 524 00:30:55,790 --> 00:30:53,730 there ain't any and see I'm really glad 525 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:55,800 that you said that because it's very 526 00:31:00,560 --> 00:30:58,050 important for our listeners to 527 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:00,570 understand that the folks who are 528 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:03,890 relating some of these UFO sighting and 529 00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:08,010 entity and ET possible ET civilization 530 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:10,400 tales to you that they have witnessed 531 00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:13,470 have not been exposed to mainstream 532 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:18,270 media or you know programming like that 533 00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:20,970 and so for them to describe it as really 534 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:23,640 astounding what I was going to ask you 535 00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:28,710 is did you believe him yes I believed in 536 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:31,380 what he said because I checked his 537 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:35,010 background in the community and he was 538 00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:42,210 the village chief and everybody believed 539 00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:44,460 in his story knowing that he's a solid 540 00:31:53,539 --> 00:31:50,000 person and he told the military 541 00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:53,549 above the same thing and and of course 542 00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:56,760 you don't as I said earlier you don't 543 00:32:02,539 --> 00:31:58,500 fool around with the military during 544 00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:02,549 that time okay and the last question I 545 00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:04,470 have about that is do you feel like the 546 00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:09,419 military took his testimonial on that 547 00:32:16,009 --> 00:32:12,870 sighting do you think they took it 548 00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:16,019 seriously I think he was taken seriously 549 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:21,299 because of his reputation as a solid 550 00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:25,049 person and you just don't make you just 551 00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:28,500 don't make up stories with the military 552 00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:30,620 because they gotta beat you up I mean 553 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:35,820 that's how it is to be very careful when 554 00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:40,760 the military deals with you and the 555 00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:43,470 provincial commander himself was the one 556 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:46,580 who actually had had him taken to 557 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:49,950 headquarters what for well he was 558 00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:52,529 probably more like a like an 559 00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:55,230 interrogation than the appeal 560 00:33:01,389 --> 00:32:59,220 investigators way of dealing with you 561 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:01,399 know stories like that 562 00:33:07,879 --> 00:33:04,769 now let me jump in here here real quick 563 00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:07,889 chat now do you have you seen or have 564 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:10,019 you experienced in your investigations 565 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:13,049 have you gotten a cooperation from the 566 00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:16,440 military and you know a civilian like 567 00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:18,659 let's say like a radar and things like 568 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:21,299 that for the aircraft have you gotten a 569 00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:23,970 lot in the way of cooperation not from 570 00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:25,470 those types of folks in your 571 00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,039 investigations over there yes I did of 572 00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:34,559 the Philippine Air Force because they 573 00:33:44,539 --> 00:33:39,539 had they had files of various citing 574 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:44,549 cases and I'm the one in charge was a 575 00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:48,210 colonel and he sent me the files with a 576 00:33:58,759 --> 00:33:52,679 note that said that in the interest of 577 00:34:01,009 --> 00:33:58,769 science and his trust in what I told him 578 00:34:03,530 --> 00:34:01,019 it was for research purposes 579 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:03,540 and so he handed me 580 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:10,110 a copy of the files the files contained 581 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:11,790 the Vario citing cases that were 582 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:13,530 reported to the military in rows 583 00:34:25,879 --> 00:34:18,630 gathered by the Air Force anything turn 584 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:25,889 up that was interesting you know uh yeah 585 00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:27,810 anything in particular that was of 586 00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,639 interest in those files or any kind of 587 00:34:32,889 --> 00:34:31,800 analysis or anything like that now that 588 00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:32,899 you thought was important 589 00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:35,340 no I think those who are just a 590 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:38,120 compilation of what witnesses provided 591 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:42,000 okay okay so it also provided the names 592 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:44,250 of the witnesses the places were there 593 00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:48,649 were they where the event distance part 594 00:35:03,550 --> 00:34:58,320 actually is this okay are go ahead Chet 595 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:07,100 well I did not get a very good response 596 00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:15,720 was from the US air force base in the 597 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:24,360 North okay yeah whether you saw the 598 00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,730 response would be for inquiries because 599 00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:29,400 I wrote them a formal letter to that 600 00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,550 effect requesting for any sighting cases 601 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:37,920 that they have on fire which they said 602 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:42,720 they they didn't have okay great I 603 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,580 wanted to ask you about an interesting 604 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:47,040 topic first I'd like to read the 605 00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:48,810 definition of a word that I'm going to 606 00:35:54,410 --> 00:35:51,240 use before I ask you my question the 607 00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:54,420 word is paranormal and the definition to 608 00:36:01,690 --> 00:35:59,730 paranormal is denoting events or 609 00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:01,700 phenomena such as telekinesis or 610 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:03,990 clairvoyance for example that are beyond 611 00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:05,730 the scope of normal scientific 612 00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:08,070 understanding what I was going to ask 613 00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:08,790 you 614 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:17,460 feel like they have 615 00:36:24,859 --> 00:36:20,720 some kind of telepathic communication 616 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:24,869 happening between themselves and a UFO 617 00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:30,150 or et related craft or et or et 618 00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:32,790 civilizations has have you taken down 619 00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:41,270 testimony like that experience that I 620 00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:44,670 know a lot of friends telling stories 621 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:47,099 about their experiences in haunted 622 00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:50,690 houses and you know some of those 623 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:54,240 paranormal activities but they were not 624 00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:56,450 in any way connected with any year for 625 00:37:01,490 --> 00:37:00,300 activity right yes and I think it's 626 00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:01,500 important for our listeners to 627 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:05,099 understand is that MUFON investigators 628 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,180 cue folks 629 00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:08,280 investigators and many other types of 630 00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,720 ufo-related investigators do a discern a 631 00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:14,400 big difference or maybe not a big 632 00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:16,140 difference but a difference 633 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:18,540 there's definitely a difference between 634 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:22,410 the paranormal and the UFO phenomenon 635 00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:26,250 and other phenomena and so just because 636 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:29,550 you see a UFO in the sky doesn't mean 637 00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,890 that you are having or that you're 638 00:37:43,099 --> 00:37:34,800 witnessing a paranormal event is that 639 00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,109 right yeah with that because I I do not 640 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:45,960 consider the years openam you know known 641 00:38:03,500 --> 00:37:57,420 as a true paranormal different thing on 642 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:03,510 it but I I do not consider it is a 643 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:05,130 paranormal activity 644 00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:11,690 yeah separate from separate from from 645 00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:17,940 activities like horn things telekinesis 646 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,540 I want to separate the DFO phenomenon 647 00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:29,760 from that yes I'm glad you said that but 648 00:38:33,989 --> 00:38:31,420 I would like to point out one 649 00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:33,999 that is in the case of Betty and Barney 650 00:38:44,359 --> 00:38:36,900 Hill which you know that case so well 651 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:44,369 but Barney Hill did say that ETS were 652 00:38:50,579 --> 00:38:47,740 communicating to him psychically and so 653 00:38:54,509 --> 00:38:50,589 there are some iconic cases out there in 654 00:38:58,769 --> 00:38:54,519 the world of ufology regarding that 655 00:39:02,670 --> 00:38:58,779 topic but that does not mean that UFO 656 00:39:05,370 --> 00:39:02,680 investigators believe the UFO phenomenon 657 00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:05,380 falls under the paranormal so I just 658 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:09,460 would like to share that idea and a 659 00:39:16,739 --> 00:39:11,410 concept with our listeners do you agree 660 00:39:18,749 --> 00:39:16,749 with that okay and I wanted to ask you 661 00:39:22,769 --> 00:39:18,759 something else that is considered 662 00:39:25,769 --> 00:39:22,779 paranormal to some but not necessarily 663 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:25,779 fallen under the paranormal category and 664 00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:30,160 that is the topic of orbs MUFON as you 665 00:39:39,029 --> 00:39:34,990 know that organization so well does they 666 00:39:41,789 --> 00:39:39,039 do they do actually evaluate and 667 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:41,799 investigate certain kinds of orb 668 00:39:48,749 --> 00:39:45,910 activity and I wanted to ask you why do 669 00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:48,759 you think a UFO investigator would want 670 00:40:05,910 --> 00:39:59,339 personally I have never encountered any 671 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:05,920 orb citing cases here so I am not 672 00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:13,170 actually really well familiar with that 673 00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:18,180 particular phenomenon I do know that 674 00:40:24,359 --> 00:40:20,920 exist as they have been saying they have 675 00:40:29,249 --> 00:40:24,369 been observed but not that I know of 676 00:40:31,049 --> 00:40:29,259 among witnesses from this country well I 677 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:31,059 think that's yeah I think that's really 678 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:33,730 interesting because MUFON does look at 679 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:35,710 them and the reason being is they've 680 00:40:40,589 --> 00:40:38,890 gotten so many cases so many reports of 681 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:40,599 them is that so they kind of had to get 682 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:49,020 I want a case I've seen this I think the 683 00:41:00,350 --> 00:40:55,170 orb orbs having having some kind of 684 00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:00,360 relation with the appearances of circles 685 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:10,150 for instance are like one so where was 686 00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:13,450 seen after a crop circle was discovered 687 00:41:22,530 --> 00:41:17,950 I guess that's the only way any 688 00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:22,540 connection that I could think of yeah um 689 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:23,980 there's also and we'll move on to 690 00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:26,080 another topic but there's also witnesses 691 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:28,900 that MUFON have come across that will 692 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,210 say things like well I saw an orb in the 693 00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:34,440 sky and they use that word to describe 694 00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:38,860 you know the UFO like activity that they 695 00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:41,800 that they witness is that anything that 696 00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:44,110 you've come across to where people will 697 00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:48,460 say well it looked like an orb has that 698 00:41:56,090 --> 00:41:53,740 ever happened to you okay great wanted 699 00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:56,100 to move on to another topic and ask you 700 00:42:00,270 --> 00:41:59,050 do you think society has evolved to the 701 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:00,280 point where it feels there is 702 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:02,890 extraterrestrial activity and they're 703 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:04,150 more willing to acknowledge the 704 00:42:09,350 --> 00:42:07,450 possibility of it I mean and I mean all 705 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:09,360 around the world do you think that 706 00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:12,370 society has gotten to the point where 707 00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,160 there is possible extraterrestrial 708 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:18,640 activity meaning ET civilization or 709 00:42:25,470 --> 00:42:22,270 civilizations coming back and forth to 710 00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:25,480 our planet and do you think society is 711 00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:27,550 ready for that to acknowledge that 712 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:32,980 possibility if that is one personally I 713 00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:43,770 do think so yes why is that because the 714 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:46,870 is well known around it's it's actually 715 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:52,170 a kind of like a household word and 716 00:43:00,289 --> 00:42:56,890 people acknowledge they recognized 717 00:43:03,809 --> 00:43:00,299 the reality of the UFO phenomenon and 718 00:43:07,799 --> 00:43:03,819 with it of course goes also the possible 719 00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:07,809 reality of entities that go along with 720 00:43:16,829 --> 00:43:12,390 the phenomenon so people are aware 721 00:43:19,890 --> 00:43:16,839 because of what they see on YouTube or 722 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:19,900 or even in the newspapers and in fact 723 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:29,789 extraterrestrials exist they're very 724 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:34,180 much welcome to be baptized I remember 725 00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:35,710 when that came out that created a little 726 00:43:41,849 --> 00:43:39,369 bit of a stir that was a very good point 727 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:41,859 I when thank you for mentioning all of 728 00:43:47,970 --> 00:43:44,890 that wanted to ask you what was the 729 00:43:50,009 --> 00:43:47,980 defining moment in your life that 730 00:43:53,819 --> 00:43:50,019 convinced you extraterrestrial 731 00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:53,829 civilizations might exist what was the 732 00:43:59,069 --> 00:43:56,200 defining moment in your life that you 733 00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:59,079 feel that convinced you that there could 734 00:44:15,479 --> 00:44:01,420 be extraterrestrial civilizations out 735 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:15,489 there for that matter humans as being 736 00:44:26,249 --> 00:44:22,920 the only intelligent mostly intelligent 737 00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:26,259 creatures in the galaxy or in the 738 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:32,079 universe is probably doesn't really sit 739 00:44:38,849 --> 00:44:35,950 well with my idea you know I mean I 740 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:38,859 always believe that we are not alone 741 00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:44,170 it's my own personal personal belief for 742 00:44:54,989 --> 00:44:50,230 that matter and so it didn't have to 743 00:44:59,789 --> 00:44:54,999 have a defining moment as you said for 744 00:45:01,559 --> 00:44:59,799 me to embrace that kind of belief great 745 00:45:03,089 --> 00:45:01,569 okay and then I have another question 746 00:45:05,999 --> 00:45:03,099 for you and I'm gonna give you some 747 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:06,009 examples regarding my question I was 748 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:08,529 gonna ask you could you please share a 749 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:10,670 list of UFO cases that have 750 00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:13,490 regarding the most evidence of possible 751 00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:16,460 extraterrestrial presence or et related 752 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:19,240 craft an example list of that might be 753 00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:23,930 battle of Los Angeles in 1942 Roswell in 754 00:45:34,060 --> 00:45:29,620 1947 Washington DC in 1952 Socorro in 755 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:34,070 1964 Travis Walton in 1975 the Phoenix 756 00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:38,090 lights in 1997 are there any iconic 757 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:40,190 cases like Betty and Barney Hill any 758 00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:41,630 cases like that 759 00:45:57,310 --> 00:45:53,530 particularly intrigued by the case of US 760 00:46:00,460 --> 00:45:57,320 Air Force pilot Lauren's coin I think 761 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:00,470 it's a very iconic the coin helicopter 762 00:46:06,970 --> 00:46:02,110 case yep absolutely 763 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:06,980 you a helicopter case because I was a 764 00:46:13,810 --> 00:46:10,250 reserve in the Philippine Air Force I 765 00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:13,820 used to fly along with you know in 766 00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:16,310 Huey's and that kind of you know 767 00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:21,020 interests me and and the coin incident 768 00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:25,190 is probably course not one of the 769 00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:28,820 classic cases in ufology that you know 770 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:32,960 really made me think that really there's 771 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:42,290 something to it over other ouchies 772 00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:47,810 Japanese thin flying jumbo 747 of Japan 773 00:46:58,030 --> 00:46:51,230 Airlines over Alaska and and I think 774 00:47:00,130 --> 00:46:58,040 that was also one because pilot like a 775 00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:00,140 they they don't make stories I mean and 776 00:47:05,770 --> 00:47:03,140 you you just say it was they had the 777 00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:05,780 radar back up on that case and they had 778 00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:08,060 the radar back for that one 779 00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:10,430 incidentally in the Philippines because 780 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:14,750 we don't have those technology of you 781 00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:18,880 know or I've not seen one myself and 782 00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,740 I've had one case in one 783 00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:26,400 being an air traffic controller his case 784 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:30,780 was never known in mainstream media I 785 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:33,330 got hold of the story when you know 786 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:35,910 there was some leakage and people 787 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:40,170 started talking about it you know in in 788 00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:43,710 whispers but when I got hold of it and I 789 00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:47,190 knew that the the witness was a good 790 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,600 friend of mine a well respected air 791 00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:53,760 traffic controller at the airport where 792 00:48:01,280 --> 00:47:57,270 I live and so I asked him and I said jr. 793 00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:01,290 I know you you saw something and and in 794 00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:05,400 the interest of research if I could you 795 00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:07,980 know get to know the details and the 796 00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:11,040 ones was that was when he opened up and 797 00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:15,660 told me about his experience he's not a 798 00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:20,160 very he he doesn't talk much but he's a 799 00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:23,220 well-respected Airport controller and so 800 00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:24,990 he was a friend of mine because I would 801 00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:27,960 I would frequent the airport area myself 802 00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:30,750 and and I'm a friend of some of these 803 00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:38,220 guys what did he say well he said it was 804 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:41,640 about he went about the early afternoon 805 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:44,790 it was a sunny day he was at the control 806 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,210 tower where he would you know where they 807 00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:50,400 would wait for the planes coming in to 808 00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,060 land and take off and he said he was 809 00:48:59,090 --> 00:48:57,359 amazed to see a bright thing going down 810 00:49:02,990 --> 00:48:59,100 which at first he thought was a bright 811 00:49:06,859 --> 00:49:03,000 meteor but he said it was too slow for a 812 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:06,869 meteor and so he said the second thing 813 00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:10,050 that came to his mind was it must 814 00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:12,680 probably be an aircraft in in in 815 00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:16,740 distress but they didn't get no distress 816 00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:19,500 calls or anything and there was the 817 00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:22,590 airport tower but what amazed him was 818 00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:25,830 that the thing coming down all of a 819 00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:29,790 sudden stopped in mid-flight it stopped 820 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:34,270 in mid-flight and split into two 821 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:38,050 and and it went flying around and that 822 00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:42,210 was something that was probably a year 823 00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:44,320 for the first time in his life you've 824 00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:49,990 seen the kind of thing sure oh yeah the 825 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:52,840 Japan Airlines flight 1628 was a UFO 826 00:49:58,830 --> 00:49:55,210 incident that occurred in November 17th 827 00:50:01,680 --> 00:49:58,840 in 1986 and involved a Japanese Boeing a 828 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:01,690 cargo aircraft and that aircraft was in 829 00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:03,850 route from Paris to Narita International 830 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:08,680 Airport near Tokyo and with a cargo of 831 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:12,850 wine and at some point on that flight 832 00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:15,430 the crew first witnessed two 833 00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:17,980 unidentified objects to their left these 834 00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:20,560 abruptly rose from below and closed in 835 00:50:25,830 --> 00:50:23,500 to escort their aircraft each had two 836 00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:25,840 rectangular arrays of what appeared to 837 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:28,510 be glowing nozzles or thrusters through 838 00:50:33,150 --> 00:50:30,910 their body bodies remained obscured by 839 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,160 though their bodies remained obscured by 840 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:36,400 darkness and then it says when closest 841 00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,920 the aircraft's cabin was lit up and the 842 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:41,680 captain could feel their heat on his 843 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,010 face these two aircraft these two craft 844 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:47,680 departed before a third much larger disc 845 00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:49,570 shaped objects started trailing them 846 00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:51,940 anyway I'd when I was going to ask you 847 00:51:02,610 --> 00:50:56,830 did you ever have any triangle related 848 00:51:05,790 --> 00:51:02,620 sightings at all reported to you by 849 00:51:07,830 --> 00:51:05,800 triangle what do you exactly mean by 850 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,840 that well you know they're the the 851 00:51:11,310 --> 00:51:10,000 three-sided where we get quite a few of 852 00:51:14,550 --> 00:51:11,320 those kind of sightings here in the 853 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:14,560 states and also apparently that's what 854 00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:17,890 was cited during the the belgian uptick 855 00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:20,200 back in the late eighties you're 856 00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:26,110 familiar with that tell me about the 857 00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:35,210 [Music] 858 00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:40,180 regarding triangles okay okay great and 859 00:51:45,390 --> 00:51:43,270 then I was gonna also ask you what did 860 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:45,400 you think about the Travis Walton case 861 00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:48,010 did you ever get a chance to kind of go 862 00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,150 over that case at all yes the ones that 863 00:52:00,510 --> 00:51:57,520 made a movie yes 864 00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:00,520 hiring a sky yeah Byron the sky yes I 865 00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:04,990 met Travis welcome himself during the 866 00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:09,190 2016 international UFO conference held 867 00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:14,470 in Scottsdale and I did ask him those a 868 00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:19,840 thing and he seems to be a very shy a 869 00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:25,300 guy and he said he just told the truth 870 00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:27,640 and that was it and there's nothing more 871 00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:31,030 or less about it he said what what what 872 00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:36,160 he actually disclosed just the truth it 873 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:38,340 was all to it 874 00:52:45,570 --> 00:52:43,930 yes I great yeah I had a chance to 875 00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:45,580 interview him myself this year at the 876 00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:48,340 Phoenix lights showed that Dr Lin Kataya 877 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:51,880 had in Scottsdale Arizona was gonna ask 878 00:53:00,120 --> 00:52:54,970 you how did you what is your perspective 879 00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:00,130 on the alleged Roswell craft that 880 00:53:07,650 --> 00:53:02,620 crashed actually it was in Corona New 881 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:07,660 Mexico in 1947 what was your take on 882 00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:14,710 that it was the case where they they 883 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:18,670 they buried the entity in in an unmarked 884 00:53:28,020 --> 00:53:23,410 grave somewhere there I I think it I 885 00:53:31,140 --> 00:53:28,030 wash it I believe there was something 886 00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:31,150 that went down at Roswell yes I have no 887 00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,110 doubt in my mind the late 888 00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:38,800 Stan weed man I think did a very good 889 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:43,360 research on that one too and based on 890 00:53:50,940 --> 00:53:47,230 the testimonies of witnesses either 891 00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:50,950 living or dead appear to be very 892 00:53:57,630 --> 00:53:55,000 authentic I don't have any doubt in my 893 00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,640 mind about the reality of the incident 894 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:00,160 okay then I was gonna ask you kind of a 895 00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:01,870 complex question that I know 896 00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:03,670 that you can answer quite easily I 897 00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:07,200 believe and that is do you believe the 898 00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:10,540 scientific and journalistic communities 899 00:54:19,350 --> 00:54:14,790 are purposely ignoring the possibility 900 00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:19,360 of the presence trust real civilizations 901 00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:23,380 if so why I'm gonna go ahead and relay 902 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:25,060 that question to you again do you 903 00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,330 believe the scientific and or the 904 00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:30,160 journalistic community's mainstream 905 00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:33,070 media or the science communities are 906 00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:35,470 purposely ignoring the possibility or 907 00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:38,200 the possibility of the presence or 908 00:55:00,780 --> 00:54:55,050 my opinion is that the scientific 909 00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:00,790 community it I think the reason we're 910 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:04,840 ignoring that is very it's not exactly 911 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:09,520 ignoring I would say but I believe that 912 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:13,650 them they know about it they feel it's 913 00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:15,450 it's real 914 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:20,980 except for the fact that science needs 915 00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:23,350 hard evidence you need empirical 916 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:28,840 evidence for that matter and speculating 917 00:55:37,410 --> 00:55:31,510 on some fantasy might not sit well with 918 00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:37,420 the academic aspect of science I believe 919 00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:41,520 this the reason why they ignore it but I 920 00:55:48,350 --> 00:55:44,560 probably from a personal point of view 921 00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:48,360 III think somehow they they probably 922 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:51,220 acknowledge the fact that we are not 923 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:54,370 really alone yeah you know it's 924 00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:57,130 interesting I won't say who they are but 925 00:56:01,500 --> 00:55:58,660 I know a few scientists who 926 00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:01,510 behind-the-scenes have told me they do 927 00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:04,960 believe that et civilizations actually 928 00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:08,620 are not only present here on this planet 929 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:11,680 but are visiting frequently and that 930 00:56:15,610 --> 00:56:15,490 they also visit by going down the end of 931 00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:15,620 the 932 00:56:27,610 --> 00:56:24,710 would never ever say that publicly and 933 00:56:31,690 --> 00:56:27,620 then I also know folks who are involved 934 00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:31,700 in journalism and they they do believe 935 00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:34,190 that there's an existence of ET 936 00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:38,080 civilizations out there but they didn't 937 00:56:43,780 --> 00:56:41,150 dare write about it so was going to ask 938 00:56:47,710 --> 00:56:43,790 you why do you think that mainstream 939 00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:47,720 media is ignoring the possibility of ET 940 00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:52,940 civilizations visiting our planet well 941 00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:55,460 some writers do write about them but a 942 00:57:02,320 --> 00:56:59,960 very sketchy manner it's not exactly in 943 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:02,330 depth or you know it's because it 944 00:57:10,330 --> 00:57:06,050 probably might not really sell for that 945 00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:10,340 matter because journalistic writing we 946 00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:13,670 have to accept the fact that it's it's a 947 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:20,960 business I mean you know so there could 948 00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:24,410 be some kind of restrictions that we 949 00:57:38,350 --> 00:57:35,230 don't know about something like is that 950 00:57:42,970 --> 00:57:38,360 exactly saying like they're having a gag 951 00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:42,980 order or something I know but just 952 00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:47,360 probably pretty cool it's about writing 953 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:48,760 those things 954 00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:53,330 real quick yeah let me jump in here real 955 00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:55,580 quick ed when with the Philippines being 956 00:58:00,490 --> 00:57:58,070 islands and all have you ever gotten any 957 00:58:02,740 --> 00:58:00,500 cases of a UFOs coming out of the water 958 00:58:05,950 --> 00:58:02,750 or going into the water into the ocean 959 00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:05,960 anything yeah you Essos unidentified 960 00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:08,270 submerged objects have you ever gotten 961 00:58:18,010 --> 00:58:13,910 any cases like that over there not to 962 00:58:23,710 --> 00:58:18,020 the day man that I know of today but I 963 00:58:25,650 --> 00:58:23,720 came across a documentary which involves 964 00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:25,660 Russian 965 00:58:33,130 --> 00:58:29,390 submarines hearing some strange sounds 966 00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:33,140 from from us oh and and the phenomenon 967 00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:36,080 they did research on that actually and 968 00:58:42,610 --> 00:58:40,640 phenomenon is said to spread out even to 969 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:42,620 the Philippines in the waters of the 970 00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:48,890 Philippines and but any witnesses saying 971 00:58:54,370 --> 00:58:50,990 that they've seen you as I was coming 972 00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:54,380 out of the ocean none that I know of to 973 00:59:00,700 --> 00:58:58,250 date okay so today just curious that was 974 00:59:03,790 --> 00:59:00,710 for my old friend Chris he was asking 975 00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:03,800 about your father you live on a chain of 976 00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:06,080 islands there so maybe you did you know 977 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:09,020 you're surrounded by the ocean yeah and 978 00:59:13,690 --> 00:59:10,850 so then I wanted to ask you about 979 00:59:16,270 --> 00:59:13,700 disclosure there was an article that 980 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:16,280 came out a few years ago I think was 981 00:59:20,110 --> 00:59:18,290 called something like chlorine glowing 982 00:59:22,270 --> 00:59:20,120 ours and black money I think it was 983 00:59:23,770 --> 00:59:22,280 Leslie Kean and Helen Blumenthal and I 984 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:23,780 think maybe Chris Mellon write crap 985 00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:26,690 Frank that wrote that article Mellon 986 00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:29,620 wasn't involved it was at all 987 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:32,740 Leslie Kean and lady named Helene Cooper 988 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:35,570 yeah that's right it was those three 989 00:59:38,110 --> 00:59:36,170 thank you 990 00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,120 I think they quoted Chris Mellon in that 991 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:40,640 earlier but I think yeah yeah they sure 992 00:59:44,830 --> 00:59:42,050 did that's an understatement 993 00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:44,840 anyway I was gonna ask you when that 994 00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,200 article came out about tic-tac that came 995 00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:50,720 that happened regarding folks who